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dirtiest type of oil productions. >> what is everybody upset about? we have been building pipelines in this country for a long, long time and we need to build this one. it's about energy independence, it's about jobs. nander landrieu is the only reason we're debating this today. it is keystone xl, extra lethal. as we come on the air, the senate is right now in the middle of debate. the vote is set for 6:15 eastern, but it could happen sooner. there is already a league challenge against that pipeline in nebsz. if you keep hearing the term and don't know exactly what it is, it is a proposal to extend an existing under ground oil pipeline from the tar sands
fields in alberta, canada, through oil refineries and to the gulf coast. it will not run through louisiana or significantly impact louisiana voters, but she is making keystone her hail mary pass ahead of her december 6th runoff. they're pitching it has a jobs bill but it has been hotly disputed. a state department report says the project will support around 46,000 jobs, but it will job to just 35 permanent jobs after it is built. does landrieu have enough votes to support it? >> the president believes this is something that should be determined through the state department and the regular
process that is in place to evaluate projects like this. but i'm not in a position to issue a veto threat here, but there are similar pieces of legislation that have been introduced in this congress where they have recommended a veto. >> we start with chris jansen, any indication that the president will veto this bill? >> you heard that he didn't say explicitly that he will veto this if it comes to his desk, but it is certainly implied, and everything that we heard from josh earnest today. a veto would be virtually impossible to override. we don't even know if they have the votes to pass it, let alone to reach the threshold of override. this is a priority for republicans. we heard john boehner speaking very forcefully about it today. i think the real question
becomes what happens after the first of the year, after the new senate comes in, and the possibility has been raised, crystal, about whether or not it could be used as a bargaining chip. compromise is a word that has not been effectively in congress for years, but there is every indication that there is a veto if this passes. >> thank you. let's bring in friend of the show, howard fineman, how is it going today? >> great. >> play this out for us. say the president does veto keystone, it passes through the senate with the 60 votes it needs. gets to the president's desk and that's far from the end of the story here. >> that's just the beginning, and this is the beginning of the story, not the end of it. republicans are determined not in the rest of this lame duck
congress, but is your honcertai the new congress comes in, they will push this as hard as they can. they will push the president to veto it again in january. the keystone pipeline long since ceased to be about the pipeline. it is a sort of cultural and scientific war that we have going on in the united states between the carbon folk own the greens. that's the way it breaks down. >> and the timing of this has to do with mary landrieu. does anyone think this vote on keystone will save her? >> no, this exercise is pretty much a waste of time and even the democrats have indirectly, though publicly admitted it. the senatorial campaign committee is not giving a dime
to her campaign. so on one hand you have the machinery of money and consulting. on the democratic side they're saying forget it. you have harry reid allowing mary landrieu. she is struggling to get this passed in the senate, but that's not what issue is anyway. >> he is a gar bon guy. >> she is a carbon gal. >> but you know, howard, i would say assume that republicans are loving every moment of this because it will likely get through the senate without republicans having to negotiate on anything and perception is everything. the new congress comes in, it is vetoed again, they they can say
they're passing something and the president is not. >> this will be one, and perhaps one of the few instances where the republicans still have favor on their side. i think as gas prices go down and dropped in the last several months, public support for keystone and fracking have dropped. people say let's drill and dig everywhere we can. there is only a moderate majority supporting building the pipeline, but it is still a majority. >> i blame the president for the high gas prices, but not the draw -- >> you're a carbon guy? >> howard, sometimes you have been on this show and you have painted a somewhat negative portrait of washington, we pushed back and looked for hints of optimism and i feel like i
want to join you in your constitutional depression. it's not that we have high hopes, but you just had the midterms, you're going in and saying okay, post election, what do we want to do with this time. hear is this action, this vote, that is clearly about politics. does it leave you more depressed looking where we're headed? >> absolutely. that is an inside reference. >> not if none of us get it. >> look it up, guys. as you made a good point it's not only politics, it's futile politics, that makes it more
annoyi annoying. it is a waste of time. there are more important things they should be discussing. i think the number one thing being what kind of budget deal can they do so that this city, and our political system, are not in the grip of threatened shutdowns and so forth heading into the next year. the economy around the world is slowing down. you know japan is in recession, china is slowing down, the american economy is chugging down quite nicely. that is not going to go on forever. the biggest impediment is our crewed up political system, frankly. that is the big thing stairs us in the face here, and that is what i they should be working on. that and immigration. >> continuing with the theme that keystone is a waste of
time, congress has moved on. they have not been waiting awhile. a republican oil man told politic politico it is not relevant at all. they moved on to other sources. the price of oil has gone way down outside of the beltway, this is also a complete waste of time, right? >> i do think the drop in oil prices affected the economics of it for sure. now they're talking about the possibility of building another pipeline to the east through canada to the atlantic ocean. again, as i stay the project is a symbol ic fight, a deep and fundamental one, and we're talking about water pollution and other thicks, and the need to keep using oil. we still do it. everybody that flies to an environmental conference, you
know everybody goes to an environmental conference abroad to talk about the threat to the planet, they are generally burning kerosene to get there. >> i will say this, if it is a huge waste of time, the president might as well just pass it along. >> what? >> that doesn't make sense. >> howard fineman, thank you. >> msnbc will have live coverage of that keystone senate vote tonight. still ahead this hour,ly make it krystal clear why a lot of the promises you're hearing are bunk. and isis. will their recent beheadings change the way america negotiates for hostages. also, the latest on a terror
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palestinians, and there is a cycle of violence going on that is being fought out since last summer. so there is many ways of looking at it. one important thing to remember is that the palestinians in gaza have been encouraging this violence in the west bank. they called on people while they called out such operations against the i'd rallies. this is a continuation of the war on the west bank. but because the violence has been so limited mostly to jerusalem, there doesn't appear to many much outside of the west bank, so it is a very delicate time here. it is basically died for the time being, really. there is no reason for hope for
palestinians on the west bank in gaza. so that is what we're seeing now. and israel's answer was that it will be a strong clamp down, track down on the palestinians. that's a short-term solution to an immediate problem. the only real long-term solution is the substantial peace talks and that for the time being is not in the cards. >> thank you for that report. a day after the parents of peter cassidy spoke out, president obama ordered a review of the way that america handles american hostages being taken. >> the department of defense, the fbi, the intelligence community have been reviewing. the one thing that i want to make clear is this review does not include a reconsideration of
a long standing policy that ransom should not be paid to terrorist organizations. >> u.s. officials believe that at least one american aid worker is still being held captive. we bring in now greg miller, national security correspondent. in this review of how we deal when hostages are taken, we will not be considering changing the longstanding policy of paying a ransom to terrorists, what else will we consider doing? >> it looks like we will be looking at how the u.s. government interacts with the families of those who have been taken hostage. that has been a source of significant friction. you know, the family of james
foley was very upset, they felt like they were threatened if they did not pay a ransom. the first executed. other families came forward and said other things. they're looking to how to handle those situations with families and not compound their grief and trouble. >> for the first time we saw fighters without masks over their face. one of them was identified by french authorities. it's like they want them to see where they are and who they are. >> part of the big concern among western governments is that when westerners might carry out a plot back home.
so far we have seen an american in a suicide attack. we saw a french fighter in the assembly line carried out in this latest video. they're sending a signal that you come here and you'll fight with us here. >> let me talk about some of your recent reporting, you write months of air strikes have slowed momentum, u.s. defense officials hope to gradually get territory away from the islamic state. how does that square with the short-term urgent problem that we're seeing which the u.s. having these -- facing these executions and the intended outrage and loss of morale for the dupe human cost. >> i think they feel stuck.
i think there is a significant -- you're referencing an article that we had in the paper this week that talks about the frustration at how long it will take the military to establish new bases in saudi arabia and turkey where it can start training and helping more moderate fighters and that leading to a debate of speeding up or expanding the existing secret cia program to train them. they have trained some 4,000 fighters, and it's hard to look inside syria and see any meaningful impact there. the opgs are limtions are limit frustrating. >> and essentially, the gist is they interviewed residents and they were not thrilled about the
air strikes because they were creating chaos. do you think that raqqa is an exception there? how are they impacting the view of us, the coalition, and isis? >> i was speaking with a member of congress and saying one of the most frustrating things he has seen was the reaction of the supposed u.s. friends and allies in syria. parts of the free syrian army that were upset that they hit parts of this group that was in and around illepo. and those that they're calling alibis were upset by that, you're setting some of us. so the boundaries so so blurry between so many of these
organizations right now that it is almost meaning less in some cases to try to draw lining around allies and adversaries. >> greg miller, thank you very much for that. up next, the cycle's chief meteorologist takes us to the weather forecast. ♪soft holiday music ]♪ can you help me up? [ snow intensifies ] [ sleighbells ring in the distance ]
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50s and 60s next week. make it will stay mild for thanksgiving. >> it certainly feels like 18 in the city right now. hot chock lane and apple cider are the best part. we begin with jonathan gruber who helped romney on romney care and obama on obama care. he called the american voters stupid and that the obama administration used that stupidity to get it passed. >> it is the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but that was basically really, really critical to get it passed. look, i wish mark was right and we could make it all transparent, but i would wrath ver this law than not. >> this was the president on sunday in australia talking about grubber. >> i just heard about this, i
was well briefed before i came out here. the fact that some advisor that never worked on our staff expressed an opinion that i completely disagree with in terms of the voters is no reflection on the actual process that was run. >> this is now, but what about 2006 when then senator obama said this. >> you already drawn some of the brightest minds from academia and policy circles. many of them i have stolen ideas from liberally. people from robert gordon, john gruber, jim wallace who can inform what are sometimes dry policy debates with a prothetic voice. >> i'm going to throw it out to the table here, how does that look? >> first of all on the gruber
thing, you never want to call the american people stupid. also, what he said is also not true. the problem has been the fact that when people look at the details they like what they're getting, but when they hear obama care they don't like what they're getting. it is the opposite problem of what he is saying, right? the problem has been that the american people don't support the overarching law versus the individual details. in terms of the president's handling, to dismiss him as an advisor is down playing the role that he played here. then again what he said there introducing him, it was part of a panel, he is introducing everyone. and jonathan gruber i'm sure of one of many people who were involved. >> he is saying that people knew what was in the law and it actually probably would not have passed. >> he is some dude that said that, a dude -- who cared. he did not work directly on it.
he wrote some policy. i hope this is what republicans continue to do, it is pathetic. the fact that they're so excited about this, trying to do research on a dude that someone has not ever heard of, neither has the american voter which doesn't implicate their intelligence at all. no one cares about jonathan gruber, i swear to you. people have some concerns about obama care. let's talk about them. if you want to legislate on any of them, please, you have congress now, bring us your amendments if you care about health care for the hub lick. for those of us that worked on the issues and followed them for years, this is a sad note. mitch mcconnell just got reelected on what? but like jonathan gruber who put his foot in his mouth, he said we'll keep connect but it won't be obama care which is not true. you have republican leaders who just got reelected trying to own
the good of obama care without dealing with the bad and that's not good enough. they have to come in here and legislate some solutions. if they want to beat up on someone that no one has ever heard of. >> something tells me when they were voting on election night, they were not thinking -- >> i don't think people even read the legislation before they voted on it it, but we're talking about a communication problem -- >> are you debating me. >> yes. >>man -- >> we're not done with the game yet. we're not done with the then and the now. this is the now on executive orders on immigration. >> if you can't get it done before the end of the year, i'm going to have to take the steps that i can to improve the system. >> are you saying here today their time has run out? >> what i'm saying to them, their time has not run out. i'm going to do what i can do through executive action. >> but here is the then part in an interview with our own jose
diaz-ballard. young people who have basically group up here are americans that we should welcome. we're not going to have them operate under a shadow. but if we start broadening that, essentially i would be ignoring the law. in a way that i sympathy difficult to defend legally. so that's not an option. >> ignoring the law. ignoring the law. i'll toss this one to you. >> it is full of people saying one thing to mean another. surely the constitutional law professor is versed on what he can and cannot do. and that halting deportations is in the president's jurisdiction. he is playing a long game trying to get republicaning to come along and say come on, you can do it, you can do it, and finally when they say we're not going to do it, fine, he has to
do something to help the 12 million undocumented and the 60 million undocumented citizens that have an undocumented in our family, if even that makes him look bad like he has gone back on his word he has to do something for all of those people. >> i see it as a dishonest game. we all talk about the white house having a communication problem, but it seems that continues to be a problem and i see that as less about the communication and more about being a trust problem. you say one thing and you do another. how often does he say i didn't know about this before anyone else did. >> is there any politician you trust? >> i would like to have hope that the president, our president of the united states tells us something and that we believe he will follow through on that and unfortunately time and time again i have not seen that happen, but this has been quite an interesting game for "the cycle." up next, what you need to know before you swipe and shop this
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brian kreds spoke to the hackers. thank you for being with us. who are these people? >> well, a lot of the guys i profile in this book are russian, ukrainian, or former soviet states. they're individuals that grew up in and era that put a lot of even suggestion on education in technology, science, math, the kind of things that lend themselves. programming, managing around distribution systems. >> you say some of them are still at large. they devise a bot net, it can sit in your junk mail and it can still your bank information. i'm wondering does that mean you're upset if you don't even open that e-mail, and why can't they figure out where the money
is going to track down the guys at large? >> even if you're not opening the e-mails, if you're not keeping up to date with all of the things you need to to keep your computer secure, you could be infected with malicious software. so your friends and family get nasty letters or malware, or something saying i'm stranded in london. wire the money. on top of that, they'll get access to all of the things you signed up with that e-mail address. if you forget your password, what do they do? you say i forgot your password, if you can click that link in the inbox, you can reset your password. you asked a question about what can the authorities do about this? >> you write they get the money out, but if they're getting it
out to an account, can't that trace that again? >> yes, sometimes that can get the money back, but by and large, a lot of the guys perpetrating the attacks are in countries that we just don't have the best relationships with. russia is not going to be doing us any favors. a lot of them are bringing a tremendous amount of money into the country. and sometimes the people in power benefit from that. >> we're all nodding our e-mail about a friend being lost in the middle of nowhere, recently i have been logged out of my e-mail or facebook and you're saying this is happening, i don't click on spam or have gotten into anything dangerous like that, so why would someone like me, common for a lot of other people, fall into that where they would then have to change their password again and create an accident over and over
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right? so how did you overcome that challenge? and how did you bring the story alive. >> allen turing is such a unique, fascinating, and complex man. i think he is one of the big thinkers of the 21st century and he has been pushed into the shadows of history. so few people know about him. to me he was a mystery. he was obsessed with puzzles, and that's why he started working to crack the enigma. we have to piece together things about him. there is no recording of how he talked, we have to go by descriptions of how he was, and talk to people who knew him before he died. so telling the movie as a mystery. it is a thriller, a mystery.
>> how important was this specific moment in history. could you say that turing's brain changed the course of worr ii? >> definitely. churchhill said this man did the single most important achievement for shortening the war. because of what happened at the -- park where they collected this group of super nerds, who then cracked the nazi enigma code and shortened the war by at least two years and saved 14 million lives and it was all kept secret. took several decades before anyone knew. which is astounding, especially today where it takes 20 minutes -- so it was all the people and nobody talked. >> when you look at his identity, he had a lot of anguish and ultimately
discrimination of prosecution because of his sexual orientation. >> yeah he was a gay man in time it was illegal. he was prosecuted in 1951. just a few decades ago. he had to choose between jail for chemical castration which would mean he would take heavy hormones and this brilliant genius took his life at 41. it is heart breaking of what we lost. >> this is also port rayed in the film. >> everything is in the film. it is a humbling experience to be able to tell the experience of this unique and brilliant man. >> and kira knightly is in this film playing joan clark, let's take hey loa look at that.
>> 5 minutes, 34 seconds. >> you said you would do it under 6. >> so kira playing joan clark, the only woman who worked with turing tell us of who she was. >> joan clark was extremely smart and it was at a time being talented was not really appreciated so she was not allowed to work with brainy men. women could only be clesh clerks and secretaries. and she is sort of like an outsider because of that. this super smart, brilliant math metition and he saw that, he was like an outsider himself being a gay man, and she became very
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schedule. while keystone pipeline passed easy in the house had a bit of trouble in the senate where they are stuck at 59 votes. according to republicans have who have made keystone pipeline focal point of their agenda. let's look at their arguments, first claim, keystone pipeline will lower gas prices, well, except that gas prices are already low and there's no clear relation between natural oil production and lower gas prices, second claim, will make us more independent, literally it is a pipe line to move through our oil, it's not our oil and not intended exclusively for our market, not to mention under this president we're doing well on the energy independence front, last year we got 84% from independent production. that number has risen every year since his presidency.
also jobs will directly create 3900 temporary construction jobs and ready for this, 35 permanent jobs. it is after all a big pipe. doesn't take all that many people to maintain it. maybe keystone pipeline is not the cure all we are led to believe but it is one piece of the republicans much-touted bill that's are #stuckinthesenate. i did the thing boehner and mcconnell don't expect people to do which is to look at what these 26 jobs bills are, they fall into a few categories. the unworkable like repealing obamacare and path to prosper y prosperity. there's the political bills that
aren't under attack by anyone and then the bulk of the bills which are tax regulations. one broadening definition to include certain retail property and certain trees bearing nuts and fruits another reallocating water in central oregon. how much jobs would all these create. we asked a staffer that question and he said, who is siting this as a job fill. economists are equally unimpressed, one telling the new york times this -- >> so there you have it. for americans who told our pollsters that the economy was your top concern in this
election, remember this in 2016. that does it for the cycle. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. high energy debate over pipeline politics as the senate gets set to vote. it's tuesday november 18th and this is "now." >> this is a vote, years in the making. >> heated debrat ate on the sen floor. >> controversial keystone pipeline is at central stage. >> i brought this bill to the floor knowing in my heart we have the votes. >> 59 senators publicly support the keystone pipeline. >> it's just common sense. >> it's plain dangerous. >> a project that would help thousands of americans to find work. >> will produce a small number of